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Lashukla
Registered User
(6/2/05 4:22 pm)
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Rackam, Dulac, Parrish animated
Hi everybody,
We are producing a collection of classic animated fairy tales as the great illustrators imagined them. These animations look exactly like the illustrations created by greats like Rackam, Dore, Dulac, Parrish and Folkard. I am writing to find out if there are others who want to see these tales animated as the golden age illustrator saw them or is it just us who think that telling these stories in great styles is unique.
Please respond to this message with your thoughts or you could e-mail me directly. If you have a suggestion for a story you like along with a specific illustration style, please let me know as well.
Thank you all for your support.
Regards,
Umesh
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Veronica
Schanoes
Registered User
(6/2/05 5:06 pm)
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Re: Rackam, Dulac, Parrish animated
Personally, I'd love to see Rackham animated. I'd definitely
look forward to something like that. I'd love to see Tenniel's Alice
animated as well (Disney doesn't even merit thinking about).
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Erica
Carlson
Registered User
(6/2/05 10:15 pm)
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Re: Rackam, Dulac, Parrish animated
I'll chime in as a Rackham enthusiast. Especially if you get in some of the twiggy creatures and the good twisty trees. The Goose Girl, Maid Maleen, or Hansel and Gretel might be Rackham possibilities. Animated Dore might be rather disturbing. I guess I'm not sure how I'd react to a Dore-style animated Red Riding Hood, but it would be an interesting experience, to say the least.
Any chances of a Walter Crane "Beauty and the Beast"? Not Golden Age, perhaps, but pretty fine.
Best,
Erica
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mpmann
Registered User
(6/4/05 2:00 pm)
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Re: Rackam, Dulac, Parrish animated
A question on this idea: Won't there be copyright issues? Some of the drawings are older, but still have extent copyrights.
...just wondering... other than that, it sounds like a wonderful idea. I spent so much time looking at some of those drawings as a child I thought the *were* moving!
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mpmann
Registered User
(6/4/05 2:03 pm)
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Re: Rackam, Dulac, Parrish animated
A question on this idea: Won't there be copyright issues? Some of the drawings are older, but still have extent copyrights.
...just wondering... other than that, it sounds like a wonderful idea. I spent so much time looking at some of those drawings as a child I thought the *were* moving!
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Lashukla
Registered User
(6/6/05 10:06 am)
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Re: Rackam, Dulac, Parrish animated
Yes, there are copyright issues involved with some of these. We are actively working toward obtaining them. Thanks for your reply.
Regards,
Umesh
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chirons
daughter
Registered User
(6/7/05 12:03 pm)
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Re: Rackam, Dulac, Parrish animated
Ooohhh. What an idea! Tenniel for me! Parrish would be interesting, especially if the self-conscious, mannered, dreamy look was salted with dialogue that subverts it a little ironically. (If that makes any sense.) But it would be ravishing to look at, and a challenge for the animator modulating all those melting color transitions.
I can't quite imagine Dore coming to life -- I find them ponderous and they never grabbed me somehow. But I'd still like to see someone who really admires them bring it off.
Rackham would have me hiding under the bed.
Edited by: chirons daughter at: 6/7/05 12:06 pm
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Lashukla
Registered User
(6/16/05 11:30 am)
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Re: Rackam, Dulac, Parrish animated please advice
Thanks to all who have responded to my posting. I would still like to hear from others if they have any suggestions, pointers. I think this board is the best place for some educated feedback.
Any story and accompanying illustration ideas are welcome.
Thanks.
Umesh
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Veronica
Schanoes
Registered User
(6/16/05 11:57 am)
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Re: Rackam, Dulac, Parrish animated please advice
Do you know whose drawings I always wished to see animated? Trina
Schart Hyman's. There's such a sense of movement in her work that
I almost remember her illustrations as being animated.
Does anybody know if she ever did animation work? I love her work
so much--I still can't quite believe I won't be seeing any more
of it.
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inkgypsy
Unregistered User
(6/16/05 2:02 pm)
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Fairytale Animation
(BTW Tried to email you personally but wasn't successful so sorry to all if this is a little 'business/process' sounding)
I agree with Veronica regarding Trina Schart Hyman's work. I currently work fulltime in animation and know her illustrations would translate really well. (What would getting the rights to do that be like I wonder... she's more contemporary than Rackham or Dore so I'm sure the rules are different.. hmm.. cogs are turning in my head..)
Rackham and Dore's work would probably need at least a little stylization just due the the heavy line mileage. Rackham's at least has a nice use of "space" that would help the eye follow the characters. My main concern would be that the essence of their drawings remain intact while being treated/redrawn for animation purposes (it's the reason we're drawn to their illustrations in the first place so I'm sure you're wanting to keep that real sense of them there, rather than just animating in a style that is vaguely reminiscient of them).
While I love the idea of seeing their work animated (are you looking at 2D? 3D? A mix?)I would hope there's enough time and budget allowed to do it thoroughly. I know schedules in working through the studios (!) and know what the outcome would look like if it were done through the places I'm familiar with - I think it would disappoint. That's NOT to say it can't be done (so if you have the passion and vision go for it!) but I think the Producer, Director, Art Director and Keys need to really love the artists style you're working with to help the production stay true as well as being on the same page with regard to your goal. I feel for the AP/production Manager though.. it will not be easy. Animation is one of the most expensive ways to make a film so you'll need some savvy, experienced people with a good artistic sense to manage it and balance the production side with the art. (I'm sure you know this already but just in case you haven't quite gotten there yet I thought I'd mention it).
One concern - if you're animating stories there will no doubt be music and voicework needed. It's the voices that would concern me in particular - perhaps you would consider voices that sound a little more "international"..?
Sounds like a wonderful project - one I know I would be proud and excited to work on! I wish you the best of luck and that you're able to surround yourself with really good value people to pull it off.
Cheers!
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inkgypsy
Unregistered User
(6/16/05 2:25 pm)
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Extra Note
Forgot to mention that the recent (live action) movie Peter Pan (2003?) seemed to use a lot of Parrish inspiration which didn't quite work in that context, especially toward the end - I would suggest looking at what worked and what didn't before attempting a(nother) Parrish animation.
I think the main problem was that large sections of it were rushed through production (particularly post-production where they built and integrated the BGs and effects) as they ran out of time and money.
There was a lot of lovely stuff there and I know they worked very hard so was sad to see it not quite hit the mark I know they intended to. That said they should still be proud of their achievement - in the end it often comes down to time and dollars - something over which the crew rarely has any control.
Parrish illustration would translate well to CG or a 2D/3D combination - as long as you had excellent modellers who love and are very familiar with the art and what you need it to do.
Exciting stuff! Keep us posted on your progress!
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tlchang37
Registered User
(6/17/05 12:53 am)
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Re: Parrish
A slightly more successful Parrish tribute was done by Enya in her music video of "Caribbean Blue". (Enya loves Parrish - and uses images inspired by his paintings a number of places.)
Tara
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Lashukla
Registered User
(6/17/05 2:50 pm)
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Re: Fairytale Animation
Thanks so much for your insightful comments. We are mindful of the issues you mention and hope to create something that has never been seen before.
Regards,
Umesh
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inkgypsy
Unregistered User
(6/19/05 7:59 pm)
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Dulac Animation
Just stumbled across this animation film from 1925 that Edmund Dulac apparently did the title sequence for. I haven't seen it myself but will have to try and find a copy now... The film is a silent tinted black & white German film with the animation mostly in silhouettes (I believe). The title is: "The Adventures of Prince Achmed" (or the German equivalent) and based on The Arabian Nights tales.
Here's a link: www.eofftv.com/a/abe/abenteuer_des_prinzen_achmed_main.htm
and a couple in German with some stills:
www.german-cinema.de/archive/film_view.php?film_id=1098
www.stummfilmmusiktage.de/german/Filme/Prinz%20Achmed.htm
It appears the director, Lotte Reiniger, (yes, a female animation director in 1925/26!) was also involved in other fairytale films. IMDB mentions that this was very probably the first full length feature animation film in history. Not only that but she used rudimentary multi-place camera techniques (I thought Walt Disney was credited with that invention!)
Check out the comments and additonal information on the IMDB wbsite:
www.imdb.com/title/tt0015532/
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Heidi
Anne Heiner
ezOP
(6/19/05 11:09 pm)
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Re: Dulac Animation
Reiniger is very important in animation history and interpreted many fairy tales into animated film, often silhouette work. I wish more of her work was readily available for viewing.
Heidi
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