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HELP
Unregistered User
(2/2/04 2:35 pm)
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REAL FAIRYTALES (ASAP)
Hello
I'm writing a speech on the dimensions in fairytales. (moreless a comparison of good and evil) I've done extensive reserch and haven't come across any of the "real" stories i'm looking for. Its very infuriating because I don't even have any books availible to me... (the library had none) I need some cold hard facts about the following fairytales
Cinderella
Briar Rose(perce forest, sleeping beauty)
Little red riding hood (company of wolves)
Hansel and Gretel
Beauty and the beast
Little mermaid
Rumpelstiltskin
Puss in Boots
Rapunzel
Snow white
and any others
I'm desperate for some good information (needed ASAP) Any information, or sites would be useful thank you very much
charla
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LostBoyTootles
Registered User
(2/3/04 12:06 pm)
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Re: REAL FAIRYTALES (ASAP)
I don't understand the question. Are you looking for the original tales? The story behind how they were created? The Cinderella story that actually happened (or the Beauty and the Beast story that actually happened, or Hansel and Gretel, etc.)?
If it's the last one, they didn't actually happen... But I seriously doubt that's what you're asking.
Tootles~~If I can't be anything important, would you like to see me do a trick? |
Heidi
Anne Heiner
ezOP
(2/3/04 1:02 pm)
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Re: REAL FAIRYTALES (ASAP)
Read this:
www.surlalunefairytales.c...tml#ELEVEN
Heidi
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HELP
Unregistered User
(2/3/04 3:24 pm)
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NEED REAL FAIRYTALES ASAP
I'm actually looking for facts about the tales, example:
Cinderella's step sister's eyes are pecked out or little red riding hood sleeps with the wolf....
Since I can't find the actual stories in time to finish my speech, i need the parts of the stories that have been lost.
I hope this clears things up
Charla
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AliceB
Registered User
(2/3/04 3:46 pm)
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Re: NEED REAL FAIRYTALES ASAP
Dont' mean to be thick here, but are you saying that the compilations of the individual fairy tales in the SurLaLune site aren't complete? I'm having trouble seeing what's missing.
All the best,
Alice
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HELP
Unregistered User
(2/3/04 4:54 pm)
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Not my intention :(
I'm sorry if you are insulted... this is the first time I've used
this board... So far, the site seems awsome but I am NOT good with
the internet and computers! Which means I wouldn't be able to find
what I'm looking for without help. Thats what this is... a cry for
help... I looked at the site link on this page above this, and all
I could find was the book grimms grimmest which led me to amazon
and a whole lot of money,shipping and time i didn't have... please...
i just need the parts of the fairytales above which have been taken
out. even just from one fairytale I hope again no one was offended
Charla
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batyler65
Registered User
(2/3/04 6:08 pm)
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Re: Not my intention :(
Try going here:
www.surlalunefairytales.c...eline.html
It's a timeline of fairy tales. The ones in blue can be read. Click on the blue words in the tales and you can track down some of what you are looking for. For example reading through Cinderella, when you get to the part about the stepsisters that says she forgave them, if you click on "forgave" (I believe that's the word in blue) it takes you to a footnote that explains things that happen in other versions of the tale (them being turned into stone).
barb
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Heidi
Anne Heiner
ezOP
(2/3/04 7:11 pm)
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Re: Not my intention :(
Go here:
www.surlalunefairytales.com
Click on any of the tale titles and you will find full text versions
of the tales. Click on the annotations and history links in the
left hand column of the each tale and you will find lots of information
to help you. I hope.
Heidi
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HELP
Unregistered User
(2/3/04 10:55 pm)
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Thanks everyone :)
Hello, I need some healthy critisism... This is my speech.. keep in mind i have 4 minutes and i cant be complicated! It would be nice if you could Read it and tell me what you think, thanx Charla xoxo
Fairytales Uncloaked
Once upon a time,
A classic beginning for many famous tales that have weaved themselves into our childhoods. Telling stories of heroic knights in shinning armour, and beautiful maidens locked away in towers that are guarded by fierce fire-breathing dragons. We remember them so well as the stories that dwelled in the young years of innocence. But the stories themselves hold their own secrets; how many of you have heard the tales of Cinderella the murderess, or Little Red Riding the cannibal? These don’t sound at all like the stories we remember hearing before bedtime. These are the uncloaked secrets of fairytales.
These stories which have traveled through centuries; find themselves today in the hearts of little children. They are perceived as nothing but innocent tales in the present. But it wasn’t always that way, in fact, during the seventeenth century, fairy tales were meant for adults! Grown men and women would tell these stories to pass the time. Children weren’t exposed to these stories until later when they’d “smoothed over”.
But these tales go back further than the seventeenth century, for all we know, some of these stories began during 200 AD and maybe even before then… They have been passed on from generation to generation, surviving many years.
For as long as they have been around, fairytales have inspired famous writers and poets, song composers and playwrights. We love them simply because they each hold their own essence of beauty… But along with this, there is a shadowed dimension to these tales.
Most negative judgements against fairytales come from the “lack of reality” Some people feel it is sheltering children from the “real world” that exists. There is also the feminist motive for an argument. That fairytales often shape women to be in the image of perfection. And that ultimately, the goal in fairytales that is set for our heroines are to be wed and live happily.
Then there is the “evil" that is contained in the stories themselves. In the older versions, fairytales contained Rape, murder, cannibalism, and violence to name a few. Do any of you remember the lovable little mermaid Ariel? Originally, she has her tongue cut out, and in the end commits suicide, Sleeping Beauty’s mother in-law is an ogress, and eats her two grand-children, and Cinderella’s stepsisters have their eyes pecked out by a flock of birds! Nowadays, we couldn’t even imagine of exposing our children to these acts of treachery! But with these “details” there is much symbolism and depth.
We also have to remember; fairytales aren’t “all bad”. They have been watered down enough to make them acceptable for young audiences. And to add to the plus side, they have very positive impact on most children. Albert Einstein says in his own words:
"When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come to the conclusion that the gift of fantasy has meant more to me than any talent for abstract, positive thinking."
Even a great scientist valued the fantasy of fairytales more than the knowledge and abilities he possessed.
They teach the young about life long lessons, as well as open up the concept that good versus evil exists in this world. They stimulate imaginations with a world of magic and beauty. They show us that everyone has power deep inside them, but its up to us to find and use it.
Fairytales aren’t black with obscure evil, nor are they white with purity and innocence. Different people have different perception of fairytales and therefore have varied opinions over whether or not their effects are good or evil. Fairytales have long been a treasure to humankind. Within each tale there is profound lessons that reflect on the human behaviour that existed then and still exist today. With this literary tradition which has been passed do when from generation to generation, fairytales will be treasured for many years to come.
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AliceB
Registered User
(2/4/04 7:45 am)
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Albert Einstein's quote
"When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come
to the conclusion that the gift of fantasy has meant more to me
than any talent for abstract, positive thinking."
Even as a scientist he valued the fantasy of fairy tales more than
the knowledge and abilities he possessed.
I do not know the context for Einstein's quote, but I think he is
referring to his
gift of fantasy (within himself and his methods of thought) as meaning
more to him than his talent for abstract and positive thinking.
To be able to jump to something new in science requires imagination,
and I believe that that was what he was saying rather than providing
a statement about literature.
Good luck with your speech.
All the best,
Alice
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LostBoyTootles
Registered User
(2/6/04 10:44 am)
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Re: Albert Einstein's quote
Ariel is Disney's Little Mermaid. You may want to note that the original Little Mermaid who has her tongue cut out is in fact not Ariel. And she doesn't really commit suicide... she refuses to murder her love and so she dies. I think there's a sort of difference there.
Good Luck!
Tootles~~If I can't be anything important, would you like to see me do a trick?
Edited by: LostBoyTootles at: 2/6/04 4:34 pm
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