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pinkolaestes
Registered User
(9/25/02 11:49:25 pm)
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a reply to a possible question
>>>>>>>Which came first? The chicken (black clothing) or the egg (self loathing)?>>>>>>
did not know if this was a question to me and/or a part of your poetic real style, but just in case it was a question addressed to me, I do not know an answer, but I have the beginning of an idea... such may be neither, but rather, parthenogenic.
con cariño,
cpe
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JaNell
Registered User
(9/26/02 4:05:24 am)
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Black, The New, erm, BLACK!
So, then, if black clothing leads to self-loathing, or vice versa, does this mean that Judges, Ministers, and all others who wear black loath themselves?
Ever give thought that maybe, just maybe, the person's coloring is well suited by black?
Or that they're a larger woman, and all the not-your-grandma styles come in two colors: white, and black.
Or they can't, or can't be bothered with, matching colors every day?
Let's talk about one of my pet peeves here: banning black trench coats. Not everyone can afford new winter coats for themselves, or their children. The best coats in the thrift stores are usually black, military trench coats. I've had one; they're cheap and have a zip-out lining. Is banning trench coats not only simplistic, but classist, since the coat doesn't kill anyone, but it's affordable warmth to poor children? (Too close to the topic of why school uniforms are racist/classist - the colors and styles best suiting slim blondes, and uniforms or uniform styles being far more expensive than very nice thrift store clothing!).
In fact, a lot of the dressier clothes in thrift stores are black - are the former owners angst-ridden potential suicides because they chose a business suit or dress in the most authoritative, universal, multi-purpose clothing color in Western society?
I've put a thread up at KnoxGothic.com regarding *this* thread (only on the web!)...
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Richard
Parks
Registered User
(9/26/02 5:58:00 am)
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Trench Coats
I rate the banning of trench coats only slightly below the same level of lunacy that moves some municipalities to ban toy guns but allow the real ones.
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Judith
Berman
Registered User
(9/26/02 6:44:14 am)
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wearing black
Speaking purely for myself (non-goth) I wear a lot of black clothing because (a) I'm a failure at keeping food off my clothes and black doesn't show the coffee stains, (b) it goes with everything else, including itself (your shoes always match), and (c) I often can't find any non-black clothing that is in colors I like -- seems as if it's been years that available colors have been confined to powder blue, beige, pink and pale yellow. Or, if you're lucky, pale grey. (What's up with *that*?)
So -- yea! black!
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Nalo
Registered User
(9/26/02 6:27:14 pm)
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Re: For your viewing pleasure...
Another movie: Powder. Oh, and I guess, Edward Scissorhands.
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pinkolaestes
Registered User
(9/26/02 7:51:21 pm)
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just wondering
Just wondering, exactly who is it who "banned" black trenchcoats?
And that is an interesting idea about Scissorhands.
thank you all
cpe
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JaNell
Registered User
(9/27/02 6:44:37 am)
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Trench Coats
Just some samplings, from Google, re: Trench Coats
Essays on black trench coats and related scapegoats:
www.witchvox.com/words/wo...bine4.html
byrd.senate.gov/sshc_foxhandout.html
www.nalfoundation.org/Per...spect.html
Some specific trench coat bannings in schools - around my area, but it's a national thing - are here:
www.claibornecountyschool...html#dress
- look under "dress code"
pages.xtn.net/~chuckey/st...ESS%20CODE
www.myschoolonline.com/pa...ESS%20CODE
and that was on just the first page of my Google search.
Also worth a look:
Funding in Blue Springs, Colorado to combat Goth Culture: www.bluespringsgov.com/Ad...elease.htm
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JaNell
Registered User
(9/27/02 6:46:01 am)
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Wrong state
Sorry on that last one - make that Blue Springs, Missouri.
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Yellow
McMaggie
Registered User
(9/27/02 7:09:19 am)
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Irn Bru
This is probably irrelevant to this topic but I was reminded of it when I thought about Goths in the UK. A few weeks back there was an advert for the Scottish beverage company, Irn Bru, which was desplayed on buses and Billboards around Edinburgh and Glasgow. On the ad there was a picture of a Goth and the slogan said, "Cheer up!"
Now the advert is under investigation for Goth bullying claims because many of them were having Irn Bru cans thrown at them by hooligans who shouted "Cheer up Goth". It is horrible esp. now in light of the new figures showing that Scotland has an abnormally high teenage suicide rate.
I, myself, am not a goth, but I truly appreciate the open-mindedness shown on this board, and I wish that others here (ähm... certain people in Glasgow for one!) could be more so, too, because I was outraged with what happened. Keep up the great discussion!
Cheers,
Katie
Edited by: Yellow McMaggie at: 9/27/02 7:12:54 am
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Ailanna
Registered User
(9/27/02 7:17:05 am)
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Re: Trench Coats
Trench coats were banned at my high school the last year I was there-- but what I remember being more annoyed at was that they banned cloaks in the same sentence! How many people in your high school wore cloaks? Sheesh.
As for black. It goes with everything, doesn't show dirt easily, makes you look thinner...what's not to like?
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JaNell
Registered User
(9/27/02 7:26:03 am)
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Humor
And I have to add, black is not the only goth color - dark royal purple and acid green, too.
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BlackHolly
Registered User
(9/27/02 11:30:49 am)
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Re: goth colors...
...and the always fabulous dried-blood red.
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pinkolaestes
Registered User
(9/27/02 11:36:48 am)
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'study' of goth culture to be funded by the Feds? Amazing
Dear JaNell
those were good links to dress codes you gave.
The most disturbing content in a link you posted was the one regarding the Federal funds of a quarter of a million dollars +/- the city was hoping to receive from the Fed. Senate Appropriations Committee via the aid of the legislator in order to specifically 'study' goth culture in their town. The article gave NO information about what has prompted such concern/interest by those many groups listed; human services, education, faith based and law groups. I have a large family that has several generations of people (four) and I daily witness and understand the human need to try to mediate/contain various matters in civilization, however I wonder if the ACLU may soon be involved there re potential targeting of an entire group of human beings. It sounds like there is a lot more to be learned about this story and what will happen next ... I wish it was an ethno study to understand, instead of the kind of "study" it sounds like it might be...
thank you for the time you took to show the dress codes too... They reminded me of our extremely similar rules while going through Catholic school a thousand years ago. At least a thousand years, could be more... we had tattoos and lots of configurations of sideburns, (and that was just the women--- [just kidding]) but no piercing except for earlobes when we were babies. However, we had knives and hunting guns and very fast cars and country dirt roads and levees and quarries and tar beaches and sand beaches at night. We all have the equivalent of a bathysphere in which to work things out. I don't know that the depths people try to dive to change, but the contents do. Just my two cents worth of observation.
all best
cpe
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JaNell
Registered User
(9/28/02 8:38:36 am)
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Tugging on the web
Well, thank you.
I *am* available for net research, you know...
If anyone needs a research assistant, part-time, telecommute.
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Marks
Unregistered User
(10/6/02 11:37:29 am)
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Unbelievable.
Instead of banning black trenchcoats they should ban dysfunctional parents, an educational system teetering under the weight of its own bureaucracy, teachers and administrators who function more as prison wardens than educators, politicians who put "accountability at any cost" ahead of the best interest of kids, schools, parents, and the community in general, prayer circles, and bullies who torture and beat other kids half to death.
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rachael
Unregistered User
(10/6/02 4:50:25 pm)
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Unbelievable
Amen.Add to that a CYF system thats totally bassackwards & its a wonder anyone ends up ok.
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Jessica
Unregistered User
(10/7/02 2:16:14 pm)
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some thoughts, memories, and other randomnesses
What this thread made me remember was the last year of highschool, 2001. (That would be a year ago.) Two of my friends worked on the school newspaper - a beautiful working example of the suppression of free-speech, and how it works in tyrannies - and a freshmen wrote an opinion piece on "why gothics suck." The article was published. The school was instantly divided. The gothic students were up in arms and righteous indignation. The skaters were up in arms and agreeing loudly. The principal came into the journalism class and asked the teacher to print a retraction. She refused. However, she agreed to print letters from students. One politely worded letter criticizing the article. Two which agreed whole-heartedly.
A friend of mine was kicked out of school the day after the Columbine incident for wearing a black trench-coat and refusing to take it off.
In the gothic subculture one of the most horrible of insults seems to be "Poseur." (Well, I'd hate to be called a hippy poser or a preppy poser or a yuppy poser...) Also, movies: The Crow(s), if these havn't been mentioned yet. The Highlander(s)? Books: White Wolf games of all sorts. Comics: Add Gloomcookie to the list.
Not sure how relevant or helpful all this is, but cheers.
--Jessica
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JaNell
Registered User
(10/7/02 3:43:33 pm)
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Pictures of Gothic Men and Meeee...
The pictures I took in July at
Christmas in July, that month's version of KnoxGothic's monthly
dance, Sanctus, are up now.
Extra points to anyone who knows what song I'm parodying in the subject line.
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MarkS
Unregistered User
(10/7/02 7:03:49 pm)
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So...
...did the skaters side with the goths or against them? Back in my day skaters were considered freaks by most and would instantly have sided with other freaks. Guess the culture has been mostly taken over by jocks? Too bad.
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Nalo
Registered User
(10/8/02 12:56:04 pm)
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Re: So...
it occurs to me that the film "The Man Who Fell to Earth" might be another interesting choice.
-nalo
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