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Gnostradamus
Registered User
(8/21/02 4:57:39 pm)
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The Bokendorf Circle
Hello,
I am interesting in finding out exactly which tales were contributed to the Grimm brothers by the Bokendorf circle (Freiherr Werner Adolf von Haxthausen).
Thanks,
G.
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Yellow
McMaggie
Registered User
(8/21/02 11:50:01 pm)
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Re: The Bokendorf Circle
Altogether, the Boekendorfer Circle contributed 66 tales to the Grimms' collection. If you can get a hold of Zipes' "The Complete Fairy Tales of the Brothers Grimm (Bantam Books 1992), you'll find a list of each of the tales at the back of the book, followed by the source/ informant and the date of the tale's first publication.
Hope this helps
Cheers,
Katie
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Gnostradamus
Registered User
(8/22/02 4:11:43 am)
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Re: The Bokendorf Circle
Dear Katie,
Thanks for your reply and the info. Unfortunately I live in a former communist republic which has just been ravaged by floods and I doubt very much that I will find Zipe's book anytime soon.
I need only to know the numbers of the tales. The numerical system employed on the Northvegr page is the standard numbering, I hope.
www.northvegr.org/lore/gr...index.html
Perhaps I am asking too much, believe me when I tell you that I would likely balk at being asked to reproduce a series of sixty-six numbers, this is assuming that the appendix includes the tales' number in each description. Oh no, as I write this it all becomes clear, each tale of the 200 must be consulted and the notes read through in order to determine to which group it belongs. Sorry, I did not realize what I was asking.
Ok, just answer me this, if you would. Does the tale of The Three Sluggard Sons belong to this group? Is it among the tales contributed by the Bokendorf Circle? Oh yes, and The Wonderful Musician. If you could just tell me if these two tales belong to the Bokendorf Circle, I would be most grateful.
Best,
G.
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McMaggie
Registered User
(8/22/02 5:33:53 am)
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Re: The Bokendorf Circle
G.
No, the two tales that you asked about aren't part of the Boekendorfer Circle.
This is what I found:
Tale 151. The three lazy sons/ "Die drei Faulen" (1815) Source: Johann Paulis, Schimpf und Ernst (a literary source from 1522)
Tale 8. The Marvelous Minstrel/ "Der wunderliche Spielman"(1819) Source: From Lorsch near Worms. Informant unknown.
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Here, since the numerical system on the site that you provdied is standard, it wouldn't be too much of a bother for me to quickly jot down the tales' numbers.
And, I believe that the main (individually listed) members of the Boekendorfer Circle are Marianne, August, Ludowine and Anna Von Haxthausen; and Jenny and Annette von Droste- Huelshoff, so I'll note all the tales that I find, which list them as a source .
(I'll note the specific source, but not the title, since you have access to the tales according to number).
7. Family von Haxthausen (FvH)
10. August von Haxthausen
16. Johnn Friedrich Krause and Family v. H. (Mixed version)
27. FvH and Dorthea Viehman (Mixed version)
60. FvH
68. Family von Droste-Huelshoff
70. FvH
72. FVH
86. FvH
91. Ludowine von Haxthausen
101. FVH
112. FVH
121. FVH
123. FvH
126. FvH
129. FVH
131. FvH
132. FvH
133. Jenny von Droste- Huelshoff
134. FVH
135. Hans Rudolf von Schroeter and FvH (Mixed Version)
138. FvH
139. FvH
140. FvH
141. Marianne von Haxthausen
142. Ludowine von Haxthausen
143. FvH
Religious Tales for Children
201. FvH
202. FvH
203. FvH
204. FvH
205. FvH
206. FvH
207. FvH
208. FvH
The Omitted Tales
232. The Crows "Die Kraehen"- (first published as no. 21 in 1815, omitted in 1840). Source: August von Haxthausen
236. The Soldier and the Carpenter "Der Soldate and der Schreiner"- (first published as no. 44 in 1815, omitted in 1819) Source: FvH
237. The Wild Man "De wilde Mann"- (first published as no. 40 in 1815, omitted in 1843) Source: FvH
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I'm not sure whether I got most of the tales, as a matter of fact I KNOW that I didn't come up with 66 tales - that is the number that Zipes had documented. Well, I guess that if they contributed 66 tales, that that doesn't necessarily mean that the Grimms used them.
If I figure out any others, then I will let you know later.
Oh, by the way, I am really sorry to hear about the flooding and the devastation! We had floods here, too, but not nearly as bad.
Well, I hope this helps!
Cheers,
Katie
Edited by: Yellow McMaggie at: 8/22/02 5:38:12 am
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Gnostradamus
Registered User
(8/22/02 4:50:32 pm)
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Re: The Bokendorf Circle
Dear Katie,
Thank you very much for this. It should keep me busy for awhile.
Thanks again,
G.
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Jess
Unregistered User
(8/22/02 6:20:29 pm)
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Off thread
How are things in Prague? The floods looked devastating. Are you okay? Things returning to any semblence of normal? Anything we can do here to help?
Jess
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Gnostradamus
Registered User
(8/24/02 4:36:54 am)
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Re: Off thread
Things here are getting back to normal. It is just a question of cleaning up and rebuilding. A lot of art treasures and books were lost and damaged. I live far enough from the river to have escaped unscathed. The center of the city is still a mess. As I've said, a lot of library, archives, and museums were hit. And the water was filthy and bacteria ridden.
I'm sure that everything will be getting back to normal soon enough.
If you want to help send Chips Ahoy chocolate chip cookies. And grape jelly, peanut butter I've got.
G.
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