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matt3706
Registered User
(10/27/00 9:58:53 am)
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Thanks guys/ new question
Thanks guys for the help on Cinderella, I came up with the idea that Cinderella's godmother serves as an artificial mother to her and that Cinderella is led to happiness in the end by following what her godmother tells her to do.
I was wondering if any of you guys know where I can find some good websites on the Lion the witch and the wardrobe. Also for Charlottes' web. I need to find some of the themes for these books, if anybody has any ideas your help is appreciated. Thanks
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Midori
Unregistered User
(10/27/00 10:29:28 am)
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godmothers and then some
Matt,
Though your paper is done, you should have a quick look at the Cinderella in "Kissing the Witch" a collection of contemporary retellings..(aish..Emma Donoughe?) There Cinderella decides that a relationship with the fairy godmother is far more rewarding than marry the prince...and this godmother is anything but a stand in for a "mother"!
As to the other ...pop in C.S. Lewis et al in a net search. I'm sure you'll reap many sites to help you.
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Terri
Registered User
(10/28/00 1:02:20 am)
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Kissing the Witch
Midori, yes, the story collection you're thinking of is "Kissing the Witch: Old Tales in New Skins," by the Irish writer Emma Donoghue. I agree that her version of Cinderella is well worth seeking out.
(Cory-Ellen, have you read this collection? This is definitely one you'll like.)
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Kerrie
Registered User
(10/28/00 8:09:18 am)
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One site...
cslewis.drzeus.net/
The above is from INTO THE WARDROBE, not an official site, but it has many links.
www.narnia.com/
This is the official HarperCollins site. Good luck!
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Alex
Unregistered User
(2/7/01 5:55:14 pm)
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Cinderella vs. Snow White
Hi,
Speaking of papers I'm working on one myself on how marriage is made meaningful in both Cinderella and Snow White. I have some ideas but have no clue where to begin. Any opinions or suggestions from anyone? Thank you so much!
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Terri
Registered User
(2/8/01 6:41:15 am)
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Re: Cinderella vs. Snow White
Alex, your theory that Cinderella finds happiness through obedience to her godmother's advice only works if you're excluding versions of the tale extant before Charles Perrault's in the 17th century. In many of these older versions, Cinderella is an angry, inventive girl who seeks her own salvation. Obedience to authority figures is a theme that became promiment in the hands of men like Perrault and the Brothers Grimm, and even more emphasized by the Victorian fairy tale editors. In Perrault's case it's particularly interesting because he was writing at a time when obedience was demanded of women, and yet he himself was surrounded by (and creatively influenced by) a radical group of women writers (like D'Aulnoy and Murat) who were using fairy tales precisely to question such assumptions.
Jane Yolen wrote a terrific essay about Cinderella in her book Touch Magic; you might find the essay and the book itself to be useful.
Edited by: Terri at: 2/8/01
6:43:33 am
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Gregor9
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(2/8/01 7:58:04 am)
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Re: Re: Cinderella vs. Snow White
Terri,
What I find so interesting about the women who pre-dated and were contemporaries of Perrault was how in many cases they were themselves suffering under the rules being imposed by husbands and kings--some of them having to live in virtual exile. The reality underpinning so many of the stories is so rich and fertile itself.
Has anyone ever written a fairy tale novel that shifts back and forth from the "real" France of D'Aulnoy and her contemporaries into the fantasies of the tales? I think it would make a fantastic book.
Greg
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Terri
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(2/8/01 9:10:26 am)
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Re: Re: Cinderella vs. Snow White
Greg, I agree, it would make a great book. Delia Sherman has talked about doing something along those lines for the Tor "Fairy Tales" series. She's did a lot of reading of fairy tales from the Cabinet des fees (in French) when she was writing Porcelain Dove. When she's ready to do it, I'm ready to publish it, that's for sure.
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Kerrie
Registered User
(2/8/01 2:36:52 pm)
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Oooops!
Terri,
Your response above seems to be in referrence to matt3706 who started the thread- Alex was asking about "how marriage is made meaningful in both Cinderella and Snow White." I'll have to think about that one myself, as I've not often thought much of the marriages in the tales except for at the end. The fathers often die or drift away (in the versions I've read) and I don't think about them much.
Kerrie
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