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Maestro Man
Unregistered User
(7/21/01 10:02:22 pm)
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Fairy Tales in comics form
Hey Kids,
Look at the site of the weird Ned and Ted modern Fairy Tales!
www.maestrocomics.8k.com/
Has anyone seen Fairy Tales in comics form before???
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Midori
Unregistered User
(7/22/01 5:52:37 am)
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been there
Hey dude,
Your site is not responding. Are you sure its up and running? I'd like to see what you're doing.
As for comic book fairy... I'm willing to bet most of old "kids" have been checking them out since the early days of "Illustrated Classic Tales" in comic book form and many of us have worked with some of the newer versions from Charles Vess and others. It's a very cool medium and over the last twenty years or so, the varied artistic techniques have really expanded its possibilities. So who are your favorites? (and not just in the industry...for example do you like Rackham?)
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Gail
Unregistered User
(7/23/01 5:37:22 am)
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folktales in comic books
I have just "published" an article on storytelling, folktales and the comic book art format at:
educ.queensu.ca/~landl/
. The summary of the article is as follows.
This article explores the similarities between the oral art of storytelling and the visual format of
the graphic novel. After a brief discussion on how the audiences of these two methods of
telling a story utilize many of the same techniques in order to actively engage in the tale, the
article focuses on traditional folktales that have been recently published in the graphic novel
format.
The focus of the article is for an education market, I would be interested in any comments.
Yours in stories,
Gail de Vos
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Gail
Unregistered User
(7/23/01 5:50:45 am)
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whoops
Hello, just double checked to see that the link worked and realized that you only get to the site, and not the article itself. Please click on current issues and scroll down an abstract or two. Gail
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Terri
Unregistered User
(7/24/01 1:04:50 am)
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fairy tales in comics
Terrific article, Gail. Thanks.
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Gregor9
Registered User
(7/24/01 4:56:29 am)
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Fairy tales and comics
Gail,
You should think about delivering your article as a paper at the ICFA next spring. I think it would be perfect there.
Will Eisner certainly understood the nature of his art incredibly well. His books on creating comics are absolutely the bibles, even today, for graphic storytelling.
Greg
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Gail
Unregistered User
(7/24/01 5:35:31 am)
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thanks Greg
Sounds like a great idea -- I will look into it. I spend a great deal of my time (lately anyways) giving presentations on "literacy with an attitude" -- attracting at risk-students and reluctant readers into the world of reading and story-- for teachers and librarians. My major recommendations are #1 - oral stories (both traditional folktales and urban legends) and #2 - comic books. It is a great feeling to be able to put your two passions together -- and get paid to stand on your soap-box! Gail
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Gail
Unregistered User
(7/24/01 5:39:29 am)
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thanks Terri
I really need to wake up before I start responding to messages! I also meant to say thank you Terri for your comment. Gail
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Gregor9
Registered User
(7/24/01 12:37:27 pm)
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Soapbox
Gail,
I wish we had you attending the World SF Convention (Millennial Philcon as it is being called) in Philadelphia the end of August. I'm on a panel about the very subject of how to get kids interested in reading and writing. Your article will provide some good material for discussion, but your presence would no doubt ignite things.
Best,
Greg
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Terri
Unregistered User
(7/25/01 10:12:53 am)
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fairy tales in comics
I've missed some discussions during my travels over the past month, but have y'all talked about "Little Lit: Folklore & Fairy Tale Funnies," edited by Art Spiegelman and Françoise Mouly, published by Joanna Cotler Books/HarperCollins? It's a terrific collection of fractured fairy tale cartoon art by eleven cartoonists and book illustrators, including Kaz, Walt Kelly, David Macaulay, Babara McClintock, and Spiegelman himself. I loved it.
Greg, are you going to ICFA this year? I might actually try to make it down there for once, work schedules and finances permitting. Are you still thinking of presenting a paper comparing modern fantasy writers to the French salon writers? That would certainly be an incentive to get myself down there. <g>
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Kate
Unregistered User
(7/25/01 6:04:01 pm)
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Lil Lit
Terri,
It's funny you mention that, because after reading Gail's article (which I think is v. good, Gail--and may I have your permission to xerox it for my students?), which includes Lil' Lit in its bibliography, I decided to teach it this fall along with Tatar's Norton edition. Hm, talk about poorly constructed sentences. Sorry. That's what I get for posting after ten hours of steam vacuuming my rugs.
In any case yes, Lil Lit is a great book. I bought it yesterday. It'll be perfect for my cool art students!
Kate
p.s. to Terri: I've corresponded with Mardelle in Tucson who has confirmed that my bound galleys have been received there--you mentioned I might have the book sent your way--yet please feel under no obligation to read it! (Besides, you're not in Tucson right now . . .)
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Terri
Unregistered User
(7/25/01 9:13:28 pm)
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(off-topic)
Kate: Great, thanks for mentioning that. I'm going to ask Mardelle to forward it on to me here -- I don't want to wait to read it!
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Gail
Unregistered User
(7/26/01 5:05:57 am)
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off-topic as well other thoughts
Kate, thank you for asking for permission and of course, you may distribute it to your students. I am honoured. And since this is an on-going project of mine, any additional titles or comments would be appreciated. And by the way, Little Lit is the first volume in a proposed series -- I do not know when the next one is to be released. It is interesting to see how Little Lit is being marketed -- much bigger presence in book stores than in the comic book stores (in my experience) -- considering Spiegelman's name on it, this may be surprising -- however, the hardcover/picture book look (and the mainstream publisher may have something to do with it as well.) A couple of other tales (mentioned in the article) are published by a less known publisher -- NBM--which do not show up in the bookstores but are in a similar hardcover format.
A new title that I just picked up--The Forbidden Book:Journeys into the Mystic -- is volume one in a series of magic tales in comic book format. This one includes Charles Vess and the ballad "Alison Cross" (highly reminicent of his Ballad and Saga rendition of "Tam Lin" and a folktale from the Southern United States, "Three Black Hearts" by Colleen Doran plus 9 other tales. Gail
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Kate
Unregistered User
(7/26/01 9:22:51 am)
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Lynda Barry
I would also include Lynda Barry's brilliant work (the illustrated novel CRUDDY, which begins "Once upon a cruddy time on a cruddy street on the side of a cruddy hill in the cruddiest part of a crudded-out town in a cruddy state, country, world, solar system, universe...", and her ERNIE POOK'S COMEEK series) within the range of material discussed in this string. I assume everyone here has read her, but if you haven't--beware, it's intensely crushing and smart and hilarious stomachache material . . .
Thanks for the permission to use your article, Gail.
(and p.s. off-topic to Terri, yikes! to know you are reading my novel! Mardelle has my home email address if you want to write to me privately about it, afterwards. Instead of starting a string here such as 'Kate's Miserable Fiction'!)
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Gregor9
Registered User
(7/26/01 9:52:48 am)
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re: fairy tales in comics
Terri,
I am planning to go to ICFA. Don't know about the paper. They've already put out the call for them, and I'm still 3 months away from a certain novel deadline, the first section of which is getting workshopped at Sycamore Hill next week, where if I'm only partially dismembered I'll be fine. So with that on my plate, I'm uncertain of the article.
It appeals to me, but would need lots of research at this time to make it work. Amazing how hard it is to fill 20 minutes intelligently...
Greg
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Terri
Unregistered User
(7/27/01 1:23:56 am)
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papers, books, etc
Greg: Well, I hope you do it some day, because I want to read it!
Kate: Don't start biting your fingernails for a couple of weeks, because it will probably take that long before it crosses the water to me...but I sure am looking forward to it! What are you working on now? I've lost track. And is there any change you'll do another collection of fairy tale essays? I adore
Mirror, Mirror, as you know.
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Midori
Unregistered User
(7/27/01 4:23:27 am)
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cruddy world
Kate,
The Lynda Barry comics sounds wonderful. Do you know how I can get a hold of it? Is this something I can just get on Amazon for instance? I am teaching "Catcher in the Rye" and my experience of teens and that novel is that half of them love it and half of them hate it...crumby and cruddy don't seem that far apart. I would love to have another text to play off of Salinger...could I do that with Barry's work?
And Gail, I also love the article! I am definately going to work some of the ideas into my courses this semester. I'm off to get Lil Lit!
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Gail
Unregistered User
(7/27/01 5:27:18 am)
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Cruddy
Cruddy is subtitled "an illustrated novel" and is marketed as a novel not a graphic novel -- it is not in comic book format and is largely made up of text. Thusly, it is widely available in book stores. My copy is Scribner Paperback (Simon & Schuster), 1999. Interestingly enough my copy was given to me by a junior high school librarian who found it too "mature" for her collection who bought it because it was illustrated. It would work wonderfully well with "Catcher in the Rye."
Thanks Midori for your comments about the article. Do let me know how it works in your classes. Gail
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Kate
Unregistered User
(7/27/01 2:24:23 pm)
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Cruddy, etc.
Sorry if I misrepresented Cruddy--indeed it is not a graphic novel, but an illustrated one. That's a good idea to pair it with Catcher. I also think Ernie Pook's Comeek (there's a 'best of' collection available in paperback) is extremely appropriate for junior high readers . . . and serious lit itself, in comic strip form.
p.s. To Terri: Good question. If Doubleday would allow me, I'd certainly make some additions to Mirror, Mirror. Because of other projects I haven't approached them directly about that recently, though I had talked about it a while ago with them, and I am still wanting to do it (and not too far in the future). Yet as of now there are no explicit plans for a new edition, just new printings. I'm working on a new anthology which I've talked about somewhere on this board--gathering short stories/tales of two types, about madness and literal beheading . . . if you've got one to submit by all means please, please!!! Send one my way!!! I'm also at work on new fiction, a new novel and a collection of tales. But I am achingly slow. It seems that many others on this board produce at a much faster rate than I am capable of--ah, jealousy.
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Kate
Unregistered User
(7/27/01 2:27:26 pm)
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Whoops
I forgot to say thank you so much, Terri, for your continued support of Mirror, Mirror. You are always so nice about it, and that means a lot to me.
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Terri
Unregistered User
(7/28/01 12:16:21 am)
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still off-topic, sorry
Kate: It's not niceness the prompts me to praise Mirror, Mirror at every opportunity; it's the fact that I love the book, and consider it an important edition to the field of fairy tale studies and art. My copies is looking pretty well-thumbed these days.
Are you considering original material for your madness book? And when is your deadline?
Regarding madness tales, Carolyn Dunn might be a good person to ask (Carolyn, are you here?),
particularly for her deer women tales, since madness is a part of the deer woman mythos.
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