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Terri
Unregistered User
(8/12/00 12:57:26 am)
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The Robber Bridegroom
Have we lost Carolyn, and the Robber Bridegroom thread? I'd like to revive it.
Heidi (and Carolyn, if you're still with us), have you seen a fabulous book published by A.& C. Black, Ltd, London, 1922 called "THE ROBBER BRIDEGROOM, A Fairy Tale from Grimm, illustrated by H.J. Owen"? I don't know anything about this artist, but the art is amazing -- reminscent of Warwick Goble, but with a quirky twist of its own. The strange and wonderful thing about this re-telling is that all the characters are rats. And for some inexplicable reason, they all seem to be wearing Japanese clothes -- kimonos, Samurai costumes, all gorgeously rendered.
I don't know if a book published this late is public domain or not, but it would be a great one for your web site, Heidi, if it was.
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Heidi
Unregistered User
(8/17/00 9:34:53 am)
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Robber Bridegroom
No, I haven't seen this book before. I am adding it to my ever growing list of books to find ASAP. I haven't located the local library in my new area, but I will be doing so in the next few days. Hopefully it will be as nice as everyone has claimed. I also have my most recent box from Amazon.com, but I haven't even cracked it open yet. For some reason, I am plain sick of boxes.
The 1922 copyright date will put the book just on the edge of copyright infringement, I think. I will have to get a copy and investigate it. Thanks for the heads up on it.
I just returned from a trip up the middle of the country (Missouri, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota) and am reading through all of the posts I have missed. My suitcase summer has been woefully empty of fairy tales with all of my gallavanting about the country. I did visit Mark Twain's Hannibal, MO and at least had some literary feasting there.
If I didn't have this board and the occasional dips into folklore all summer, I would be positively nuts by now....
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Carolyn
Unregistered User
(8/28/00 9:21:39 pm)
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Robber Bridegroom
Terri,
Thank you for that title---is it still available from Amazon?
Your post, and the trickster women discussion got me thinking about the transformative aspect of these tales, which is probably also because I'm working on an anthology of Native tales of transformation, so this is once again all related. I think the reason why I love the Robber Bridegroom story so much is because of the power the bride receives at the end of the tale, and that incredible build-up of suspense as she says over and over, "but yet, my love, it was only a dream..." That she moves in the story from this innocent, naive bride to this woman who has the power to bring down a demon says much about the hidden power that women take fromt he landscape and from nature. I think Midori and Heidi discussed this at length on the former message board, and I lost the thread in the last few months of insanity. Kerri, I think you had some insight into this as well.
Cheers all!
Carolyn
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Allie
Unregistered User
(8/28/00 10:21:42 pm)
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Robber Bridegroom
No one seems to have mentioned
Eudora Welty, so I will... if you haven't read Welty's Robber Bridegroom,
you're in for a treat. I'm fond of her anyway; I live in Memphis,
and my mom first took me to one of her lectures when I was about
seven years old.
Isn't the cut-off date for copyright 1928?
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Midori
Unregistered User
(8/29/00 5:46:33 am)
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Welty
Allie,
Actually I did mention Eudora Welty a while back when we were on the old board. And yes, it is a splendid version. I like very much the southern elegance of Welty's work. Lucky, lucky you to have heard her speak. Now if I could have heard Flannery O'Connor...
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Kerrie
Registered User
(8/29/00 1:51:25 pm)
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past threads
Carolyn, do you remember if this was one of the Robber Bridegroom threads or one about going into the woods? I forget things these days (especially with THE MOVE!)
Kerrie
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Richard
Registered User
(8/29/00 7:50:43 pm)
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Welty
I used to have some recordings of Welty reading her work, which have since gone missing, drat. She has a great reading voice, or did. She's rather frail these days.
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Carolyn
Unregistered User
(8/30/00 3:29:52 pm)
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Robber Bridegroom into the woods
Kerri--- I think it was the going into the woods thread, and I think Midori had also discussed the more traditional women's roles associated with the Robber Bridegroom Tale...
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Heidi
Unregistered User
(8/30/00 5:53:04 pm)
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Robber Bridegroom (and a little about copyright)
Oh, I had forgotten about Eudora Welty's Robber Bridegroom. I have her collected works on my shelf so I will just have to read it this weekend. Fun! She is one of my favorites.
And copyright, although I am not expert, is earlier than 1928 by at least 5 years. I have been playing with copyright research with my site and about the latest I am willing to risk is 1923 although I think 1919 or 1920 is the cut off. My research is buried somewhere. I am no legal expert though so please do not depend on anything I say here. I remember that Gutenberg.net has a clear definition of how they determine public domain before publishing pieces on the site.
I was always fascinated with Bluebeard and the related tales due to references of it by L. M. Montgomery when I was a young reader (example: The Blue Castle). None of my fairy tale collections had the tale though, so my first full-fledged introduction to it was in high school with Angela Carter's Bloody Chamber. I have been hooked ever since.
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