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MaryCatelli
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(7/25/07 7:23 pm)


The Tale of Three Brothers (Harry Potter spoilers)
So -- what do people think of that fairy tale as a fairy tale?

I think it's kinda weak myself. The three brothers are traditional, the three gifts have their analogues, and Death is a fairy tale figure, but it doesn't feel like a folk tale, or a literary one.

runalian
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(7/26/07 12:39 pm)


The Tale of Three Brothers (Harry Potter spoilers)
I thought it was a great story. I got goosebumps when I read it. I think that it had a lot of depth behind its simplicity. The more I tried to understand it the more I couldn't.

RoseRed81
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(7/26/07 3:38 pm)


Liked it.
I was really glad that she included a bit on the importance of fairy tales. The tale itself, I liked. It rang true to me.

Van45us
Registered User
(7/26/07 5:03 pm)


Re: Liked it.
Me too. In fact, it was a great touch, I thought. Rowling's ability as a writer has improved hugely, I think, since the first book. Most of all, she keeps it character driven, which is what I like most about the books, above all the complex mechanizations others fasten on. When I read Order of the Phoenix, I found myself amazed that she was basically writing Orwell's 1984 for teens. Every kid (and adult) in the world should read this stuff, and now they are. IMHO, that book and film alone could change lives. I think Deathly Hallows is terrific, a real page turner and emotional roller coaster. One moment I'm grief stricken and the next laughing out loud. I've got about 100 pages left to go, and so far I'm not disappointed...

Dark Queen 9
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(7/31/07 1:12 am)


Re: Liked it.
I had enjoyed the previous books in the series but this one was very disappointing. I threw the book at the wall when I had finished it which shows what I thought of it. It badly needed editing. The flashback scene at the end was tedious and slowed the pace down. The much hyped deaths were all mainly minor characters or characters we didn't much care for. A bit of a cheat there! The final ending was so Mills and Boon that it made me squirm. It has to be the hype that makes people so hysterical about these books. There are far superior fantasy books around such as The Dark Is Rising series by Susan Cooper. It comes nowhere near such classics as The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe and the Lord of the Rings.

MaryCatelli
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(7/31/07 7:06 pm)


Re: Liked it.
I liked it.

Even the fairy tales, I had no more objection than that they sounded off -- bits and snippets of psychology which struck me as atypical.

BTW, the inspiration for the fairy tale was Chaucer's Pardoner's Tale, according to an interview I ran across.

schoksi
Registered User
(8/8/07 3:46 pm)


Re: Liked it.
I have to confess mixed feelings about the last installment. i mean the afterworld as kings cross? the end (when i had anticipated that harry would die) read like it was rather contrived. i felt that harry's impending has been forewarned by the narrative, not only by a ditsy prophecy! dont you think?
and albus severus????
gods have mercy!
though i must also confess i loved re-reading the entire set now that it is complete.

MaryCatelli
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(8/8/07 5:28 pm)


Re: Liked it.
I don't think Harry's death was that heavily foreshadowed. Anyway, playing tricks with prophecies is one of the oldest tricks in the book.

I found "Albus Severus" rather touching, actually.

Mnemosynehime
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(8/9/07 4:51 pm)


Re: Liked It
It wasn't the best story within a story I'd seen, but I still enjoyed it and the last book overall. Part of it perhaps was that book 6 was so disappointing, but I think the last book made up for it and it was nice that the final book brought in a fairy tale motif as something important to be understood and remembered.

The Albus Severus was cheesy, yes, but I confess it made me blubber like a baby. Ok, the book as a whole made me cry after I finished (I was more attached to everyone than I realized). But I too found it touching considering what it meant as a whole.

MEDATS
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(8/13/07 10:16 am)


Re: Liked It
Speaking of Narnia, wasn't the ending on the same principle as Aslan's sacrifice - that if a victim goes willingly to their death, death itself is turned back and has no power over the victim. Since the concept for C.S. Lewis was based in Christianity, where does that put Harry, especially in light of the views some church groups hold about the series?

Anyway, I'm dead chuffed because i just *knew* Snape was in love with Harry's mum! :D
I also liked the way they got darker and more adult with each year of Harry's growing up.

MaryCatelli
Registered User
(8/13/07 5:15 pm)


Re: Liked It
Well, Voldemort's inability to hurt anyone whom Harry had died for sprung from the same principle that meant the Witch could not lay claim to Edmund, but Harry was tied to life not by his willing sacrifice but by Voldemort's still being alive, with Harry's blood in him.

So -- about half the same I would say.

bielie
Registered User
(8/22/07 12:31 pm)


Re: Liked It
OK I think Rowling's editor was intimidated by her fame and did a lousy job (Actually starting with GOF which was way tooo long). The suspense line in the end is mangled by flashbacks of snape and lily, and the interlude in heaven, limbo, or whatever afterlife is supposed to be called.
The pensieve started out as an excellent tool of exposition, but she overused it and it lost its magic after the umpteenth pensieve chapter. Heaven? I cant even start to count how many times I've seen this exact device in movies. And to use it for just another place for exposition... The editor should have torn it out! Harry's sacrificial death should have been the climax. Rowling started setting it up as from the first book and it should have crowned the last. Alas, as Dumbledore would have said, it lost it's dramatic power as it was followed by an very anticlimatic who-can-draw-the-fastest show down.

But this has been Rowling weak point from the beginning: Anti climactic exposition after the climax, explaining the climactic Deus ex Machina so you won't feel so cheated by it.

As far as the christian theme: When I read the last chapter I had visions of Bible belt masses repenting of burning the books and starting to preach from it: "THis sunday: The Gospel According to Harry Potter! "

bielie
Registered User
(8/22/07 12:50 pm)


Re: Liked It
One other thing: Don't you just hate the way the Dursleys and Hermione's parents are just packed off and never heard of again?
And the non-event of Draco's turning: Took one hell of a setup in HBP, Dumbledore dies in order to save Draco soul and we do not see Draco turning to the good side? It happens off screen. I feel cheated! But then is he really turned? What sort of *ssH*le calls his son Scorpio anyway?

MaryCatelli
Registered User
(8/22/07 5:05 pm)


Re: Liked It
Scorpio's probably an old family name.

And there is a trifle of difference between finding it difficult to murder an old man so a villain can run wild, and being a good person.

It's better to find it difficult than not, and if you do it anyway, it's bound to have reprucussions, but preventing you from doing it will not make you good.

runalian
Registered User
(8/26/07 9:56 am)


..
I also liked how she added the deathly hallows plot to the book. I think the book that had the most fairy tale elements to it was Chamber of Secrets. I always loved how it was Ginny who was the "princess" who is rescued from the dragon/basilisk by the Prince/Harry.
Its also interesting how the main deaths in the book follow the alchemical process. The first main step represented by black ends with Sirius Black dieing. The next step is white, and Albus Dumbledore dies (albus meaning white). The third and last step is red which is completed by Rubeus Hagrid as he carries Harry to the last battle. Im glad J.K didn't feel that she needed to Hagrid too.

Van45us
Registered User
(8/27/07 9:13 pm)


Re: ..
Two observations. About Harry's death; it was the media that hyped this through the roof; I didn't see any huge Mack trucks in the story line with the words "Harry must die" on them. The fact he did, and didn't, was clever enough.

Also; there have been books written about and websites dedicated to all these subjects. The thing I notice as an overarching view among many is that one opinion will clash radically with another. Someone will think one element is stupid as dirt while another thought it was brilliant. So it goes. Expectations and opinions are many and varied. This is nothing new, of course, but with as many plot twists and turns as there are in HP, they stack up pretty thick. I do notice, however, that most readers seem to think the end result is well worth the trip.

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