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AndreMijail
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(11/20/06 6:29 am)
At which age should we give them the original tales?
Good morning everyone.
My name is Andre.
I am doing a research paper about Fairy tales because I like it very much. I have read a lot about it and I can finally make you all a question that I hope you can answer =) :
When telling tales to children, and taking into account the age they have, in order to give them what they can process, use and incorporate in their lives, we deal with original versions of tales that teach a lot to our children. But when it is about stories where a stepmother cuts the head of her stepdaughter with a hatchet or events like that, (which were originally created for adults and not for children) ;

At which age should we give them THESE kind of stories?
Thank you all in advance.

And have a nice day =)
Andre

dlee10
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(11/20/06 2:41 pm)


Re: At which age should we give them the original tales?
I just asked my daughters how old they were when they first heard the "gruesome" parts. My 14 year old says she "always knew" and my 8 year old says "around 6." Niether of them were bothered. My older daughter said the stories were a good way for me to tell her about the dangers of the world without getting too personal.

Rosemary Lake
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(11/20/06 11:44 pm)
depends
I think it would depend on how the material is handled, and what other 'violent' things they're used to.

Compared to Roadrunner cartoons and some video games, someone cutting off her own toe for a good reason is pretty mild. Getting their eyes pecked out seemed kind of bad taste, but it was still mostly cartoon violence. Things like 'dancing in red hot shoes' or being rolled downhill in a barrel of nails to me seemed like nonsense.

For many children, violence and eww are laughable (unless presented especially seriously). The audience for Barrie's "Peter Pan" wanted gore, and so did the children in Ransome's SWALLOWS & AMAZONS. Calvino talked about humorous stories aimed at children where a child was served parts of her dismembered grandmother: teeth disguised as beans iirc. Here are some old versions of Red Riding Hood with some cannabilism, tho not as funny as Calvino's source.


<a href="http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0333.html#france">Old French Red Riding Hood
version<br>
</a></small><a href="http://www.hellhorror.com/werewolf/folklores/hood.php">Another old
Red Riding Hood version with werewolf</a><br>

I think there's a difference between gratuitious violence (punishments at the end) and violence or scary things that are central to the story (like the cannibal witch in "Hansel and Gretal". If a child is scared of the witch, the story is about how that fear was overcome. But if a child seems to take seriously the cutting off the toes etc, then that could be quickly changed (perhaps to some other sort of slapstick, like trying to walk in the too-small shoe and falling into a mud puddle.)

Rosemary Lake
Registered User
(11/21/06 12:18 am)
forgot
I forgot to mention that in the two old versions I linked -- ew and cannibalistic as they are -- the girl sees through the wolf's disguise, tricks him (scatologically), and escapes!

AndreMijail
Registered User
(11/21/06 3:39 am)
Re: At which age should we give them the original tales?
Good morning everyone =)
Thank you for answering my question.
I have read your answers and followed the links you gave me.

Even though, I still need some information. Can you dispel my doubts?

I will divide this topic on children older than 6 years old and children younger than 6 years old.

Then, I assume that children around 6 years old, as one of our members' son (dlee10) can interpret things and ideas and analyze them logically, according to Jean Piaget's Concrete operational stage.
But what if they are younger? Do we need to do a careful selection of tales for them? I have read that these children tend to believe whatever they hear and I would not like them to believe that they can drink the blood or eat the flesh of their grandmother.
My question, again, in order to avoid gratuitious violence (I just learned that word, thank you Rosemary =) )
Do we need to do a careful selection of tales for younger children?

Thank you all again.
Andre.

Veronica Schanoes
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(11/21/06 1:36 pm)

Re: At which age should we give them the original tales?
In my experience telling and reading stories to children, I have not found that young children are especially upset or confused by violent stories. It does depend on the kids. Some will straight-out tell you that they don't like scary stories; some will tell you they don't like scary stories and then ask you to tell them a scary story; some will need extra assurance at the end of Fitcher's Bird that the bad wizard was all burned up and killed. I have yet to notice any child I've told stories to thinking that she could actually do anything in the tales at all.

AndreMijail
Registered User
(11/22/06 8:32 am)

Thank you
I think I have enough material to finish my study. Thank you for your answers and thank you again =)

Andre.

Rosemary Lake
Registered User
(11/22/06 11:57 am)

if
If the child is young enough to be read to in your lap, then ... if you're worried about the violence better leave it out, or the child would pick up your anxiety. Or if the telling is any kind of very gentle, intimate situation, where you usually do gentle stories.

This may sound silly, but if the parent is worried enough to be asking the question, then they probably couldn't present it in a non-serious or cartoon-violence manner.

I don't know what other manners it might be presented in.

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